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Re: Anybody have advice on WDW "reluctant partners"?

Postby Wizzard419 » May Fri 20, 2016 2:31 pm

Considering it is a company that literally tries to have a brand/franchise for literally every demographic, the only people (who can afford a trip) that would legitimately not want to go would be people who simply don't enjoy conspicuous consumerism. During NYE, as a means of appealing to those who were more interested in sports, the hotels were promoting bowl viewing parties at the various bars and even offering special room service options. They were, understandably, called out on this since it was the same as saying "Hey, sure you paid a fortune to book a room here during the peak times, and probably paid for park admission, but wouldn't you be happier in your room?" :D
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Re: Anybody have advice on WDW "reluctant partners"?

Postby cy1229 » May Fri 20, 2016 3:24 pm

Wizzard419 wrote:?..it was the same as saying "Hey, sure you paid a fortune to book a room here during the peak times, and probably paid for park admission, but wouldn't you be happier in your room?" :D

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I probably would have been happier in my room, compared to spending time in that crowded of a space.

Then again, I wouldn't go to WDW for NYE. Toooooooo crazy crowded.
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Re: Anybody have advice on WDW "reluctant partners"?

Postby Wizzard419 » May Fri 20, 2016 4:12 pm

Which is why it isn't unusual to see couples/parents fighting or having at least one member of the party unhappy. While the company tries to appeal to everyone in some capacity, they simply cannot and having to spend a week doing things you don't want to do in cramped, crowded parks, could be a trigger.
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Postby cy1229 » May Sat 21, 2016 8:29 am

I think there's also the stress of putting pressure on oneself due to the amount of money spent on the vacation. Crowds only exacerbate that.
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Re: Anybody have advice on WDW "reluctant partners"?

Postby Len90 » May Sun 22, 2016 11:02 am

cy1229 wrote:Then again, I wouldn't go to WDW for NYE. Toooooooo crazy crowded.

Been there and done it. You go to MK the night before and EPCOT on NYE. Stay at an EPCOT resort and you have no issues with getting around. It is crowded but there are a lot of extra paths opened for moving the masses.
Wizzard419 wrote:Which is why it isn't unusual to see couples/parents fighting or having at least one member of the party unhappy. While the company tries to appeal to everyone in some capacity, they simply cannot and having to spend a week doing things you don't want to do in cramped, crowded parks, could be a trigger.

Also add in the heat. Putting a lot of people in a hot crowded and cramped situation will ultimately lead to pushing, shoving, arguing, tempers, etc.
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Re: Anybody have advice on WDW "reluctant partners"?

Postby theBIGyowski » May Mon 23, 2016 10:15 am

Yep...I did WDW on NYE way back when and it was the last time I will ever do WDW between Christmas and New Years. We had a blast and the weather was fantastic other than the rain on one of the days. But the crowds were beyond ridiculous and FastPass was still relatively new (2001), so the lines were crazy long. I remember waiting two hours to ride Rock 'n Roller Coaster, which was only a few years old, and being okay with that because that's just how long the lines were.

Ever since then, I've made it a point to go when the crowds were low. I'm sure we'll end up having to go in Summer once our kids are school age, but for now we're just fine going in the off-season or in the "sweet spots" between holidays like we are doing this December (5-10) to avoid the crowds.
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Re: Anybody have advice on WDW "reluctant partners"?

Postby Amy » May Mon 23, 2016 1:32 pm

theBIGyowski wrote:Yep...I did WDW on NYE way back when and it was the last time I will ever do WDW between Christmas and New Years. We had a blast and the weather was fantastic other than the rain on one of the days. But the crowds were beyond ridiculous and FastPass was still relatively new (2001), so the lines were crazy long. I remember waiting two hours to ride Rock 'n Roller Coaster, which was only a few years old, and being okay with that because that's just how long the lines were.

Ever since then, I've made it a point to go when the crowds were low. I'm sure we'll end up having to go in Summer once our kids are school age, but for now we're just fine going in the off-season or in the "sweet spots" between holidays like we are doing this December (5-10) to avoid the crowds.

I would have to think hard if I was a parent about pulling kids out of school to go during less crowded times. It wouldn't even 100% be to avoid the crowds, but I can't imagine the heat and humidity of going during the summer months :shock:
I'd love to see the special fireworks they do for the Fourth of July or NYE, but probably not enough to ever contend with all those people. I am not a large crowd of people kind of person.
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Re: Anybody have advice on WDW "reluctant partners"?

Postby theBIGyowski » May Mon 23, 2016 2:01 pm

Yeah...my wife taught before having kids and she's 100% for pulling kids out of school to go on vacation. Of course, you don't want to pull them out during critical times like exams or standardized test, but most teachers will work with parents when they pull their kids out for a week or so. It's better to build memories that will last a lifetime when your children are young and everyone is in relatively good health.
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Re: Anybody have advice on WDW "reluctant partners"?

Postby Wizzard419 » May Mon 23, 2016 2:18 pm

Hmmm... other than the obvious harm it does to the school (no students = no money that day), I can't say the harm is the same as it was 20 years ago as schools have been creating lesson plans around standardized tests. Since that test doesn't necessarily translate to helping them later in life, and there is a lot of repetition to drill it into their consciousness, it seems like the issues have decreased. Though, when you go in the off season, you also get less time in the parks, which may mean less rides are open, nightly entertainment may not be running, so it's a wash.
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Re: Anybody have advice on WDW "reluctant partners"?

Postby Amy » May Mon 23, 2016 7:19 pm

theBIGyowski wrote:Yeah...my wife taught before having kids and she's 100% for pulling kids out of school to go on vacation. Of course, you don't want to pull them out during critical times like exams or standardized test, but most teachers will work with parents when they pull their kids out for a week or so. It's better to build memories that will last a lifetime when your children are young and everyone is in relatively good health.

I thought your wife may have been a teacher. I would guess up until middle school, the issues would be less for them missing school.

Wizzard419 wrote:Hmmm... other than the obvious harm it does to the school (no students = no money that day), I can't say the harm is the same as it was 20 years ago as schools have been creating lesson plans around standardized tests. Since that test doesn't necessarily translate to helping them later in life, and there is a lot of repetition to drill it into their consciousness, it seems like the issues have decreased. Though, when you go in the off season, you also get less time in the parks, which may mean less rides are open, nightly entertainment may not be running, so it's a wash.

I don't know if it is still the case or not, but I know when I went to school, there was one or two days that they pulled a good percentage of the student body down to the cafeteria and that count was what the funding was based on. It wasn't an everyday attendance.
Hadn't thought about decreased hours. I know I was surprised at how early the Cali parks closed when we were there a few years back. And I can't imagine it has gotten any better at DL since the budget cutbacks. :(
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Re: Anybody have advice on WDW "reluctant partners"?

Postby cy1229 » May Mon 23, 2016 8:26 pm

I'm not sure how it's done in other states, but both Michigan and Indiana have a single day that students are counted. It's usually about four weeks after the start of school, and that what funding is based on.

The charter schools in Indianapolis are notorious for accepting all students until this count, then finding a reason why they can't keep up to 1/3 of them and shipping them back to the regular public schools.

I wouldn't dream of pulling kids from school for a week after fifth or sixth grade. They miss too much.
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Re: Anybody have advice on WDW "reluctant partners"?

Postby Wizzard419 » May Mon 23, 2016 9:06 pm

Here, the schools use daily counts (not sure how they handle the data, but it is pretty accurate since teachers would turn in lists to admin) but the big thing was that each day was counted. Honestly, anything short of college, I would rank the value of any given week so low that they could miss it. If they could survive being out sick for a week they should be able to survive being out sick for a vacation.
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Re: Anybody have advice on WDW "reluctant partners"?

Postby theBIGyowski » May Tue 24, 2016 7:19 am

Like I said...a lot of it hinges on the relationship the parents have with the teachers as well. We're in a unique position that my wife was a teacher, so she could always supplement based on any lesson plans from the teacher.

I will agree, though, that your chances of missing attractions due to refurbs is a lot higher during the Jan-March off-season. You also have to put up with a lot of BTGs, which can really mess up the magic.
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